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Tantra4GayMen Podcast Episode 3 – Why is Sexual Energy central to (neo) Tantra?

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Hello and welcome to the Tantra for Gay Men podcast hosted by Jason and Ingo Tantra. Here we’re exploring spirituality and personal growth through the practice of tantra, the body, energy and sex. Who.

 

Hello there, I’m Jason Tantra and welcome to episode three of the Tantra four Game and podcast with beautiful Ingo Tantra and beautiful me Jason Tantra. In this podcast we are going to be talking about why is sexual energy a key component of the practice of neo tantra? Why is sexual energy a key component of the practice of neo tantra?

We’re going to be exploring what neo tantra is and we’re going to talk about different perspectives around that topic.

 

Also, stay to the end because we have a special gift for you where we are talking about our first book recommendation and you need to listen all the way through to hear that and also at the end, we’re talking about the beloved Tantra Love Festival, which is happening in Glastonbury in the UK in August.

 

So yeah, really hope you enjoy this podcast. Enjoy.

 

here we are, my beloved Episode three. We’ve made it through the first two episodes. And here we are in episode three. How are you doing?

I’m doing fine. I’ve.

 

Yeah, I’m really, really excited about today’s topic.

 

Okay. I just love your smile and look into your beautiful eyes and adoring you in this moment and just loving you.

 

Is it everyday life or is it already?

Well, so what today’s topic is. Yes, absolutely.

 

But I was just admiring your beautiful brown eyes and your beautiful smile.

 

Just loving you for a moment. Even though we may be wanted to murder each other 5 minutes ago, setting a

Date is a game of two halves. It’s both sides of the coin.

So today’s topic in go

 

The question is why is sexual energy such a key core part of neo tantric practice? Let me just repeat that for everybody.

why is sexual energy a key part of the practice of neo tantra? Why do we want to start with that?

 

I could start so I could have a list.

 

Okay, go for it. Well,

 

yeah, I could happily start. And where do I begin? Because again, this opens just this can of worms. Studying tantra is there are so, so many dimensions to this question and so many perspective. you know how to answer this question. Let me start with three things. And there it’s like sexual, it’s like energy and it’s neo tantra.

 

And to understand what we actually talking about, I would like to depart from the last one from the word neo tantra.

Yes.

Which that’s a really helpful thing to do.

 

Yeah. You really need some context because there’s a difference between tantra and neo tantra.

 

Absolutely. And so many people haven’t heard of this. The you know, because we call our work tantra because it’s neo tantra for gay men, what that sounds like.

But actually a car, it could sound like a hot so very broadly speaking and very,

you know, simplified. There are two things. There is what we call classical tantra, traditional tantra, which is basically, let’s call it, you know, a spiritual movement that originated on what today is northern India and swept across that region circa sixth to 12th century heyday, maybe 10th or 11th century.

 

And we’re going to talk about the details in some other episodes. But what I want to say today is that the idea, the idea behind that and, you know, dear listeners, if if you’re listening to this, maybe close your eyes for a few seconds and take that idea in. The idea behind that is that each one of us, no matter who you are, no matter where you come from, no matter what your sexuality is, each of us can realize that true nature, that full potential awakening fuzing with the cosmos.

 

Whatever you, you know, you want to call this, each one of us can realize that in this very life and there are very clear techniques, mainly meditation techniques, to achieve that. And interestingly, you know, already in, you know, in classical tantra, many of these meditation techniques use, again, you know, to to very much simplified what I would call spiritual physiology.

 

Many of us know some of these things. If you practice yoga when you think, okay, there are certain energy channels in your body, there are certain energy centers in your body, and we can actually there’s such a thing as an energy body that you can work with.

 

And, when we work with these things, we don’t just work on the mind. We actually work very much with the body. And the idea behind there is to, let’s say, manipulate us as a positive thing, to manipulate those energetic centers structures in a way that’s, is conducive for universal energy to run through that connects us to the cosmos that we are because in this view, we are not separate from, you know, what we call nature versus human.

 

That’s not two different things. That’s actually one, seamless, continuum of, of, of, of, of phenomena and, and to work with our energy channels, we can actually connect that and then things can run through. And at then leads to all of those things that we experience in meditation and all these ecstatic experiences which are not the destination, but which ultimate only lead to something, to this awakening kind of thing.

 

So if you are, you know, if you are dear listener, if you are versed in traditional tantra, this is obviously very, very, very simplified and not at all a complete you know, a faithful rendering of traditional tantra. But just for those, you know, if you don’t know these ideas, just keep this idea in mind. There is something that can be realized in this very life, that awakening.

 

And to do this in tantra, we we need to engage the body because through the body we engage the energy body. So far from traditional tantra, for the moment. But as you may have noticed, the word sex does not appear in here. And indeed, the, the question of sex is, of sexual energy is one that was, you know, what we are practicing today.

 

Now tantra puts that center stage and it’s important to know that this idea is something that mainly came into,

tantric practice in the 20th century. So for those of you versed in, psychology, you know, psychotherapy,

you know, from the, let’s say it started with something like the Himalayas and, and therapists like last the forties, fifties, then within the New Age movement like from the sixties seventies the idea that

sexual energy is something that needs to be freed in our body in order to really work with it.

 

So the idea that our sexual energy is not free, we are not in our natural state

and that’s of course that’s super easy to, to, to, to understand because, you know, each one of us, how much have we been conditioned by society? They want us to do sex in a certain way, not in the other, by our families, by our biography.

 

I just want to go back a step. Yes. Because I want to really talk about the birth of neo tantra.

 

Yes. And for me, you know, one of the sources of that was the Osho movement, which

started in India in the seventies, early eighties,

seventies. Yeah. 

 

And Osho for me was sort of like a modern day mystic, incredibly well read. And I feel like he established the foundations of neo tantra predominantly for heterosexual market, starting with his ashram in India, moving to Oregon. If any of you have a Netflix subscription, I encourage you to watch Wild Wild Country. 

Don’t watch it. It gives a very skewed

guess. 

 

A very skewed. But yeah, but for me, what he left us with was to really important things.

 

One was a philosopher fee that was that he wrote in his books and that and through his videos that I find makes this spiritual teaching of neo tantra very accessible to Westerners. And what he also well, I think actually probably two, three things. He also left us with a collection of meditation practices.

 

Yes. And I think the third thing is that he was the seed, as it were, for many other tantra teachers.

You know, for example, mango and and art of sexual ecstasy. You know, again, for me that was one of the key foundations of of neo tantra and neo tantra was of its time when it was born. And I want to talk a little bit about why it’s relevant to men who love men in 2024, in a in a moment.

 

But for me it was of its time because it was revolutionary. You know, at that time, sex and sexual energy sex only happened within marriage. Sex kind of wasn’t free. Okay. We had the seventies free love. And I think like Tantra was kind of the next stage on because it was great to have free love and free sex.

 

But then there was also. Well, so what do we do with that? Yeah, and I think that’s where, you know, at the same time was the birth of the New Age movement, a new age, different practices. As we move into the eighties, people are talking crystals, angels. And I think, you know, neo tantra or tantra is as it’s short form, kind of borrowed its roots from original tantra but I think has established itself in with many modern day practices.

 

Yes, exactly. And and I would say, you know what what what Osho did was actually, in my mind, like nothing, like no one else. He brought East and west together. Yes. So the idea that we need to work with sexual energies to to, to, to reach, you know, to reach psychological healing, to reach our full potential, to reach mental sanity.

 

And that that, you know, you find already a few decades earlier, you know, with William, with general, you find that in all of these modalities of body oriented, you know, psychotherapy, some of which are part of psychotherapy today, some of which I’m on new agey.

 

But what he did also was to bring those together with, let’s see, Eastern meditative ideas, parts of which were from tantra, although bringing that together.

 

Yes. To say we need to liberate our sexual energy in order to reach meditation.

 

But that to us was was the thing. But I think also another way of reframing that is that he brought the

spirituality to a freedom of sex. Yeah. Or that, you know, these, these, these things somehow are somehow fuzed.

 

And the, the idea behind that is I think he even said that somewhere is in particular the Western in our Western psyche.

 

We are so conditions in so many ways that we can’t even dream of reaching some solid states of meditation. The only thing we will see in there is the tortures of our mind.

 

In order to basically bypass that, we need to work with the body and the most the most the most powerful force in our body is sexual energy.

 

But unluckily, it’s also the most conditioned force, the most

distorted force. So if we then wind the clock forward with sort of like tantra of the eighties and nineties and I would say when we first started teaching tantra 18 years

ago, very much the model of teaching tantra was just throw everybody and chucked them off the cliff and kind of get on with their.

 

And I think what we’ve seen develop thankfully, one is I think in the last 20 years we have a much greater understanding of gender and different ways that people can express themselves or have identity.

And I think that’s one.

 

thing that I’ve seen and another thing that I’ve seen is an understanding of trauma, thankfully. So rather than the model of just chuck everybody off a cliff 20 years ago, we now understand that there’s, you know, people have been through a lot in their lives.

 

And typically people come to tantra because they’re looking for answers. They’re looking to work on something. They’re looking to grow, they’re looking to transform. And tantra, for me is an amazing vehicle for that. But equally, you know, in a a workshop of people, there’s going to be a lot of trauma that’s happened to people. And I what I’ve really appreciated and enjoyed is how, you know, there’s very much this work now trauma informed, isn’t there?

 

And but but what it means is okay we acknowledge that there’s things that it cannot get in the way for people of experiencing this bliss, this divinity, this freedom. Like for me, one of the things tantra is trying to do is to show you who you really are, like your soul beyond or before any conditioning, before any identity.

 

Like when we talk about bliss and we talk about the divine and we talk about the soul, these are ways of describing ourselves or seeing ourselves before we come into human form. And for me, a key component of sexual energy is that is a very easy way for us to access those states through our sexual energy. Like when you’re in your sex, when you’re in your sexual energy, half of it could be that you’re in your purest form, your most unconditioned form or what.

 

It’s also showing you is actually how far away from that that you are. It kind of shows you both.

Yeah, you do have to do two things. And what you said and and let me just go back to what you started with, 2 to 2 basically almost like complete that that that question of neo tantra because so as you said rightly

there was this you know thing called Puna one this this Osho ashram in a certain period in the 1970s before that is before all of these before had been passé basically in Oregon, which is depicted in wild, wild country and so on.

 

But there Osho, who, as you said, was possibly like very, very few other, you know, people in the 20th century or gurus in the 20th century was incredibly well read and practiced it, practiced in all of, let’s say, mystical practices of the different traditions also in the West, but mainly of the East. 

 

You know, you name it, you, you know, Tantra is then different practice from different Hindu, Hindu religions, Buddhism, things like that. And what he did is he invites it. lots of really talented psychotherapists, many body oriented psychotherapists from the West to, to basically create a laboratory to bring this together. And he said, you know, tantra is the thing that this is almost like called he, he, he put that center stage because he said what’s coming together here is meditation and body psychotherapy and the liberation of sexual energy.

 

But as you just said, yeah. Now when you look into what they actually practice experimental, which was a

good word, well, it was wrong.

 

It was a very experimental. It was sometimes ethical. Well, I think at that time there wasn’t that much an understanding yet of how to work in a trauma informed way and things like that.

 

This is this came only very much later. And also it was very hetero.

Yes. You know, man or woman.

 

Yes. Yeah.

 

And and what you then see is in the generation afterwards, many, many, many neo tantra teachers were actually directly or indirectly like inspired by that. And they then brought that more into, you know, into

a better understanding of gender, a better understanding of that.

 

It’s not just hetero, but I remember when we started up still, you know, you and me, we had to translate many of those exercises and rituals that they came up with there. We had almost to translate these from man woman

into a for us, into a gay kind of perspective and into a gay practice. Yeah.

 

For me, I want to go back to when I was 18. Yeah. Because I think that’s the first recollect action I have of

understanding what I say, understanding what spirituality was. I felt the calling of spirituality.

 

For me, I was brought up in the West country of England and Glastonbury for me with my mother was a day out trip of buying crystals and going buying tarot cards and incense sticks and wondering around, you know, the spiritual

meditation gardens of Glastonbury and just being in the energy, being in the space.

 

That for me was the the beginning of an awakening of wanting to be something more or a calling or actually I would actually reframe it as a remembering of being spiritual. But what I didn’t have at that time was like a vehicle or a

practice to be able to realize that. So like over that decade of my sort, like 18 through my twenties, I kept feeling a call to be spiritual. and I think when I was about 20, I don’t know, mid twenties, there was this thing called the National Federation of Spiritual Healers, and I was there at

the only gay one in a group of many middle aged beautiful women with twin set. The pearls on. And that’s where I learned a lot of energy. I learned a lot about healing.

 

This is this shows you how old I am. This is even before Reiki, Reiki became fashionable, kind of. I was, you know, three or four years earlier in spiritual healing. But 

 

can you ask a can I ask. Yes.

 

Yes.

 

Because later you ended up in Neo tantra and yes, it revolutionized your life so. Well,

this is the point I was getting to.

 

Did you feel disembodied in your spiritual practice during that time?

 

Well, for me then, as a as a gay man in my twenties, what was completely separated and this is bringing me onto to my point was my sex and sexuality was completely separate and devoid from my spirituality. The idea or the notion that these two could sit together centerstage.

 

So as I went through my twenties, I had lots of unsatisfactory, not great sexual experiences. And also, you know, and again, more probably talk about this in a later episode, I had a lot of childhood trauma

around sexual abuse.

 

Sex was used as a way to control me throughout my childhood, and so sex in my twenties was confused.

It was difficult. It was just painful. And I don’t mean physically, I mean emotionally. It was confusing. And, you know, when you’re 28, your twenties, your sexual energy is so such a fierce energy, so really fierce that it kind of controls you and almost drives you crazy at times. And, you know, knowing how to kind of ride that bull, as it were, in a way that felt good was often not great and not easy.

 

So the point I’m coming onto boom, boom or not coming onto because that’s what people think about how did we get isn’t Hunter about not coming? We’ll talk about that in another podcast. Yeah, but for me, at the age of I think in my mid thirties when I met the idea of tantra, it was completely revelation chinnery that I was just dumbstruck that I now had a vehicle for everything I’d learned.

 

My spirituality could happen in my sexuality. For me, you know, we have worked with men who love men, I think over 16,000 students over 18 years at this point of recording. And I think for men who love men, sex can either be completely amazing and completely take them into their spirituality. But equally, I think a lot of us carry a lot of issues around sex and around our sexual expression.

 

And I think that, you know, for me there’s two key reasons for that. But I think we carry a lot of shame because it’s not been okay for us as as men who love men or gay men to really show ourselves in our true sexual energy, to allow ourselves to be witnessed and to be seen. I grew up in a time where being gay was not a welcome piece of news, You know, being brought up in the UK.

 

I look at gay men on television at that time, people like Larry Grayson. and it was all limp wristed talking like, hello, you know, and all of that. And that was my only, my only identity as a gay person, you know? And then with words like poofter and, you know, for the America one’s fag, there were all these derogatory terms and all these ways that these gay men were representing themselves in television.

 

And, you know, for me, I talk about how in the 1980s, when Channel four brought out a program, is before they made the US version, it was Queer as Folk. That, for me was the moment that gay became mainstream. Gay became popular and gay became acceptable, and something that people wanted to be associated with is when it became socially acceptable.

 

But I still feel that our sexuality is still a part of us as a community that needs healing, that needs to be explored. I think as men who love men, we have found probably every possible way to be sexual with each other in so many different ways. And I think the bit that we are bringing is making that something divine, making that something sacred, making that something about being on a journey, a spiritual journey towards awakening.

 

Sorry, not just need to say a little bit more for me when we are in our sexual energy, we are at our freest, we are, you know, when we’ve let go of our shame, when you’re climbing the walls, you know, it’s really interesting when you’re reaching for an orgasm. Typically were crying out for gold at this point. You know, that feeling of like, God.

And, you know, we’re crying out for God in that moment. And for me, that is where we were in our purest form, our most unfiltered form, in a way that that that we’re really very not in our humanity.

 

let me I liked what you really liked what you said earlier. I don’t want to come back to that, which is, you know, your own experience of how the way how you are being conditioned as a sexual being, how you were, how your

sex was somehow limited, maybe distort it, beset with shame, with all these kinds of feelings, but it wasn’t free.

 

And you you described that in, you know, from the way that British society was, you know, and then with the early gay movement as late eighties as something like that. And, you know, I loved hearing you say how how you find that how you found that limiting.

 

Yes. And in a very different, you know, in a very different way at that time, it was the moment to reveal that your German, if you will, said that.

 

Well, yes, yes,

 

we should. We reveal that.

 

I think everyone everyone knows. But

 

I wasn’t going to talk about this, but I was going to say that my conditioning was different. But,

yes, again, you know, it didn’t reflect a German small town society in in in that time. But what I wanted to say in general is that this sexual conditioning being limited in our sexual expression, not being free, and that it’s almost like a universal experience and specifically also for us as gay men, I mean, every every every person we had worked with, I have, at least in beginners, very, very rarely seen people who are really free in their sexual expression

Completely.

 

And we have you know, if you look at the different layers and the different and generations also of the gay community we have been through. So much stuff, especially, you know, we have worked so much with people who have lived through the HIV crisis, who for whom, you know, this a very specific kind of conditioning and and trauma in there.

 

And others we have worked with. I’ve encountered that in America specifically and in the US, where this kind of this this very, very harsh religious trauma, especially growing up in certain in certain regions of the US. And so this is what I’m saying, is that this is this is a very lived experience for everyone. And then the question and then this I think it’s the attractive thing in tantra or in neo tantra is that what if I could move beyond that?

 

What could if I could move beyond that and truly free my sexual expression?

 

And as you say, some of those conditionings are super harsh. They are traumatic.

 

So there’s a lot to be worked through, Right? That’s the bliss. But also, you know, you will be confronted in this practice with what is holding you back and how can you work through that.

 

So I think this brings us back to the beginning of this question is why is sexual energy a key component or key part of the practices of neo tantra? And for me, it’s for two reasons. One, when you are fully surrendered into your sexual energy, whether that’s on your own with another person, other persons, or in a group or in a coach, when you’re completely surrendered, there is a bliss, there is a divinity.

 

And I also just want to briefly talk here about the spirituality of sexual energy, because I’ve also sometimes thought and again, we’ll talk about orgasm another time, but the natural state of the universe is bliss. And I think as humans, when we’re so busy being conditioned and, you know, being in our our egos and identities and our I want to say small life.

 

So I don’t mean that in any judgmental way that actually there’s something universal about the state of bliss. And I perceive that our sexual energy is the gift that creation gave us, whatever we believe and the gift that creation gave us to remind us who we really are. And it’s really interesting that it’s a really creative energy. You know, you look how humans are produced.

 

It’s through this state of divinity. It’s through this state of bliss. And, you know, as a gay man, as a man, a man who loves man, when I’m in my sexual energy, I’m reminded of who I truly am. My source, which is blissful, which is ecstatic, which is joyful. So for me, if that is the spiritual state, that all spiritual practices are trying to take us to, like, when you think about all spiritual practices, they’re all, you know, whether you’re doing meditation, whether you’re doing yoga, whether you’re doing any form of spiritual practice, they’re all trying to take you back to this state of bliss, this state of remembering who you really are beyond your conditioning. And for me, the second reason why sexual energy is a key part of the practice of tantra is because it shows you everything that gets in the way. It shows you where you may feel shame, maybe shame about how you look, shame about how old you are, shame about who you are. You know, we carry so much shame and guilt in so many different ways.

 

It’s so many insidious layers. And part of the tantric practice for me is the undoing of all of those things. To come back as a free, beautiful human being. Not that you weren’t beautiful with your conditioning, but you know, you

can go through that so many, so many things and you know, so many things to discuss in what you said.

probably going to be another podcast. First, I want to put a caveat into there.

 

Okay. the bliss is not the destination.

 

You know, it’s way beyond bliss. I mean, we haven’t even started to talk about.

 

Well, but could we just say agree that it’s one of the stations on the road of a spiritual journey?

yes.

 

And it’s, it’s, it’s both station and side effect and many and doorway and many other

things. And it’s let’s say this is why we usually say, you know, but why we usually talk about bliss so much is this is usually what people can still imagine aspire to. It gives you faith that yeah, this is something worth aspiring to if they have tasted this.

 

Yeah. And then you get into this practice and you make it, you, you work with it, you make it part of your life.

But then at some point you realize that that which you know, that which this is all about is even beyond that. And it becomes but that is what start to fail. And it’s very hard to to, to to, to.

 

But we are going to we are going to have, you know, podcasts about that. That’s the first thing I wanted to say. And I need to say one more thing.

 

Do it because we haven’t even coming back to our question of this podcast. I haven’t even started to really go into detail of how sexual energy, you know, how exactly how sexual energy, worked with it properly in a tantric way

can elicit this these doorways into, into bliss and then into awakening because there are whole, you know, batteries of techniques and of theory in there.

 

Just to mention a few things, I’m going to talk about that later. But, you know, this is how to bring sexual energy up.

 

And then once the sexual energy is being brought up in your body, what does it do in your body? And that I mentioned spiritual physiology. There are many, many things then that happen and that you can work with sexual energy in spiritual physiology to elicit states that then again lead into something.

And this would be possibly several podcasts. So we have also a very, very, very big question today.

 

You know, I just wanted to to to open for you, dear, dear, dear listener.

 

You familiar with this?

 

The the vastness of this once you start waking up sexual energy and to connect that with spiritual physiology, you are in for a ride.

 

Yes. And to really work with that and we haven’t even talked about that yet.

Thank you. Yeah, we are out of time on this topic. Exactly why I

think any last statement to say on the I’m not to be continued to be continue to be continue.

 

We can only really scratch the surface of all of these topics. Also the the the whole tantra versus neo tantra thing.

the whole yeah. The whole spiritual physiology thing and the whole question of sexual energy, of the conditioning of it.

You know, each of these actually would in my mind, deserve to be okay. I assure overall time of doing this, we’re going to we’re going to cover that. So listen, this. Are you ready to move on to the next part?

 

Yes. So in this podcast, what we also wanted to do was to bring you a gift each time.

 

And in previous episodes, we’ve talked about ways to start your own tantric practice at home. And last time we talked about self pleasuring practice and then the previous podcast, we talked about the app community, tantra for Gay men, e-comm, and today our gift for you is, you know, what books should you read about Tantra And Ingo, you were going to come with one suggestion.

 

Tell us about that.

 

Yeah, I was going to, especially if you’re new to this to start at the very beginning,

almost basic.

 

This is a book that is not very spiritual. but more practical.

Okay. But it’s a foundation

of many things, and it’s the multi orgasmic man.

by man, with his co of, Douglas Abrams.

Okay.

 

And that book is the ideal book. If you have never done any of this.

 

Start reading that and try out the techniques.

 

It’s mostly technique.

 

Again, it’s it’s nothing much spiritual in that. It’s nothing much about tantra in the in the, in the in the more narrow sense in there. But what it gives you is very hands on, hands on book suggestions, practical exercises for yourself at home.

 

You know, you don’t need a partner for that to how to work with your orgasmic state when you are highly

sexual or sexually aroused, and how to transform that into states of orgasm that are not just, you know, seconds, 2 minutes long or something like that, but that are much, much more sustained and much longer.

 

And the reason why this is like basic foundational, foundational practice is that this is something as a man specifically, you want to master at a very early stage in tantra, because, you know, when we talk about this first step, let’s bring sexual energy up to then work through your body to then elicit these, spiritual, experiences.

 

When we talk about the spirits, the sexual energy, you know, we, we are talking about a multi orgasmic energy. We are not talking about, let’s say, you know, coming and then we are talking about something where you can sustain this very state of very, very high arousal for a long time and that needs to be practiced. And Mantock who comes from a Daoist tradition, he describes that in a very, very accessible way and something just to play with.

 

So Mantock Chia with this CO of Douglas Abrams, the multi orgasmic man. And that’s your first recommendation. Recommendation of where to start reading, where to start a reading when you are if you are a very, very, very beginner.

 

Okay. In in in tantra many of you know many of our our more advanced students that that they will have done that over and over again. But this, you know this one is specifically for you. If you’re interested in tantra, you want to do

something. You haven’t got a clue where to begin. Try this.

 

And we should also say this is not a paid a paid recommendation. It’s just of what it offers. Naturally, we don’t have any we don’t have any anything. You know, Google it, put it into Amazon.

yeah. Cool. I recommend it. Thank you. Thank

you. 

 

And the last bit to talk about in today’s podcast is our beloved Tantra Love Festival. It’s Saturday, the 24th of August through to Wednesday the 28th. We’re about two thirds sold out, approaching something like sold out, hundred up to 130 men coming internationally to Sunbury in the UK.

 

It’s in Glastonbury, west of the UK for, you know, if you’re coming from elsewhere America it’s accessible in a few hours from Heathrow airport is and also wants to talk to you remember it can go because

 

I have been busily preparing and working with new facilitators and programing. So do you remember any of the workshops that we’ve got coming up?

 

Just let’s see if we can do a little bit of workshop bingo or badminton back, back. So one of the things I know is happening is we’re going to be doing the ice bath Challenge. Ice Bath seem to be a big thing at the

level of about Wait a moment, what is before you start with

that? Yes, I think a lot of what our listeners want to hear is you

don’t they don’t want to hear about an ice bath.

 

No, they want to first hear about it’s a tantra festival.

 

It is a ton hundreds of tantra stuff. Festival love.

 

So what what tantric workshops do we have in there? What do we start with in terms of tantric workshops?

So you tell me. I see if you read my emails that I said, Do What I do now is we have beautiful loops coming from Washington DC and one of the workshops he’s going to be doing is something called Impact Play, and that’s a way to start playing with sensations in your body.

 

So, you know, you hear anger when I talking about different sensations and he, in one of his workshops is going to help you experience things may be a little bit provocative, just a sprinkling of provocative, but yeah, impact playing is kind of one of the juicy.

 

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. But I want to bring you back to what’s what you know, we’ve been talking

about we’ve been talking about multiple orgasms we have been talking about sexual energy.

 

Yes. Do you remember any of that?

 

Do you remember the list I gave you? So what I do know is that we’ve got Firefly coming and we’ve got Pink coming. And they are both going to be doing a different combinations of tantric massage workshops. And also Pink is going to be doing our famous Cock Lab workshop, which is a way to explore, explore in detail, different cock strokes, different techniques, different practices.

 

I am going to be doing a love explosion ritual, which is about ways of really deeply, profoundly. With Open House, we’ve got over 40 workshops, it would be fair to say.

yes, we would. I would what my point is, is that of these 40 workshops, possibly about half are like very, very, you know, some directly touched neo tantric practices.

 

Yes. You know, like it starts with, deep. How, how can you deeply connect to a partner?

emotionally?

 

Yes. Physically, yes.

 

How can you, how can you be free in your sexual expression whilst being true to yourself and to your boundaries?

And then from there, you know, we’re going to move into things like touch.

 

How can you give touch? How can you receive touch? And then it gets ramped up into things like massage and it gets more and more erotic, you know, up to, you know, reaching very erotic workshops such as the Cock Labs that you mentioned, such as classical, tantric massage, you know, and it gets as juicy as it sounds and the other half of the workshops, as you say, they are, workshops that are, that, that’s, you know, a little bit wider than just only tantra because on, on a festival you just want to have fun and celebrate and have the best

time as we do.

 

You know, we do workshops with, with that that more have more of a party mode and music

and dance, dance and also on the last night we have, we are co-creating a beautiful sacred puja tantric ritual ceremony and. Our aim is that that touches the petals of your hearts that you just

smile and remember being loved and being in your body.

 

That’s one more thing. we pride, I would say we pride ourselves in this festival. Yeah.

That, you know, imagine 130 people and many people are going to ask, God, I don’t even can I come on my own? I

don’t know someone there.

 

And what You know what, what, what we hear again and again in people’s experience and what we pride ourselves to do, we have set it up in a way that usually after 24, 36 hours, everyone knows everyone.

 

People have shared deep stuff from their lives.

 

Yes. Like a group of friends that you have known for a very long time in a very intimate way. And that’s what then makes it possible to really go into tantra. So that is the Tantric Love Festival. We haven’t done it probably even begun to do it justice, but we’ll be talking about it more at the end of our Future podcast.

 

So that’s the Tantra Live Festival Saturday, the 24th to Wednesday, the 28th of August in Glastonbury. Details of that are on our website. Tantra number for gay men dot com Bingo has been beautiful to share this with you. Thank you for being with me in this. I love you. I love you too. See you

in our next episode. Take the next episode by sweet. Bye bye. Hey.

So I hope you’ve enjoyed the episode three of the 204 Gay Men podcast.

 

Hopefully a good olive doesn’t justice to the topic about why is sexual energy a real key focus in the practice of neo tantra? Ingo also talked about his book recommendation, and we talked a little bit about the Tantra Love Festival as well. coming in episode four.

 

We’re going to be talking about a common problem that people have around. I can’t make sound during sex, I can’t make sound during sex. And we’re going to offer some different perspectives and ideas

around that. Why, you know, you may wish to choose that. What might get in the way. And some helpful suggestions and ideas around that.

 

Look forward to seeing you on the next episode. Take care. Lots of love. Bye bye.

 

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